WHO STOLE THE CASH? BARD ASKS.

Ches on VOCM says he putting together a panel of experts on climate change, but says the carbon tax is not the way to go. Maybe Ches should read up on Hansen.
Ches last year took a 2 year lease on a large gas guzzler pickup truck…..a mistake he now says. Wants an electric truck, he says.
Ches needs a truck since he is an avid moose hunter, do you know!
I recommend an electric scooter for around town, while wearing his robes.
He was asked if he suggested his PC members to attend the march today. He says he is unable to attend but that her suggestion is a good one, and he will do that. Yet he did't think of that himself.
Ches, converted? Doubtful. He is flowing with the winds of change, not giving leadership.
Ches…..of the elite class……the class most responsible for using more fossil fuel that the average bear, as Yogi wound say. VOCM got a commitment from him to let us know when he gets his electric truck.
What about electricification of our province for EVs, incentives as in other provinces, cars a priority instead of pickups for pretend moose hunters. Is he presenting at the PUB on his ideas?
Winston

Maybe Ches will join the deniers, (Bernier, Peckford, Kinney, Moe, Scheer et al), Separatisticum? Help me with the Latin Winston. North West Pacifica?

https://www.behance.net/gallery/83587261/NORTHWEST-CANADA-A-VIABLE-ENTITY

Higgs and Ches should get on the Atlantica version. Draw some more lines on the map.

With RCMP to trawl,

Our hopes on the rocks do fall,

Dudley is doing F— all,

SNC accused of fraud,

Both here and abroad,

Only in NL do they get a pass,

While Mounties and RNC sit on their ass,

Investigate the emperor, here is the impasse,

If you have the gonads to try, move to head of class!

Remarkable: as I post about Bishops Cove, VOCM radio tells of govn grants for Hr Grace and Bishop's Cove.
Last year election there was $25,000 to re-shingle the senior club(LOL Lodge) there at Bishop's Cove. Now $50,000 for the same lodge upgrade. Meanwhile the 3 miles of Bishops' Cove sewer discharge into the sea. No concern or money for that. Can we get Greta to visit Nfld, to advise Ches and Ball on impact on the sea and fish?
Winston

WA @ 11:01:

So you know, I am still reading intently – just timing my remarks.

PENG2

Your contract is over is closer to the truth PENGzero.

Pengzero has had to lay off his research staff Winston. Don't you get it?

M. Trudeau is making the best of it. He says he will march with the young uns in Montreal tomorrow. Will any deniers show up? How about Ches, Moe, Kinney, Bernier, Ball, Higgs? Get the youth vote out. Privately commit your own vote to your child's request. Peckford, sadly, like some of his supporters, is on the "wrong side of history"

No denial but let us see the science. We are not as stupid as the climate fear mongers who declare emergency or crisis to gain votes from the green uninformed public. Trudeau is a black/brown faced racist, terminological inexactitude. Let us not follow shim into dark.

What good to see the science and not understand the science?
If you cannot even find the science accumulated over the past 50 years, you are more than just blind, but too lazy to look.

And now MUN too declares a climate emergency! Whooopee.
So lets have a meeting once a year to monitor the emergency, have a mitigation plan, and an "oversight committee" composed of the fossil fuel companies.The oil and gas industry can be sponsors, and Charlene Johnson the spokesperson.
What a joke, MUN who stayed silent to enable the boondoggle, now see an emergency for the earth's climate.
Winston
WA

Astro Turf Group refers to an industry funded fake Grass root group. Fake grass roots, astroturf get it?

No Astroturfing here but GENUINE grassroot action! Get it?

Yes, no worth while large protests against MFs
I have five grandchildren, none attended the strike. sad. The 2 families main income earners are oil industry workers. One grandchild, age 14, asked if he could take the holiday and was told, only if he attended the strike, otherwise he had to attend school . He chose to go to school.
Seems parents, my kids, never encouraged them to march (bias due to having fossil fuel income)? Although they recently mentioned voting GREEN
Winston

Teach Your Children
Crosby, Stills & Nash, Crosby, Stills & Nash
You who are on the road
Must have a code that you can live by
And so become yourself
Because the past is just a good-bye.
Teach your children well,
Their father's hell did slowly go by,
And feed them on your dreams
The one they picks, the one you'll know by.
Don't you ever ask them why, if they told you, you will cry,
So just look at them and sigh
And know they love you.
And you, of tender years,
Can't know the fears that your elders grew by,
And so please help them with your youth,
They seek the truth before they can die.

What about more recently the $160,000 paid by the Dems to a retired British spy to dig up Russian associations of Don Trump. What is sauce for the goose should be sauce for the gander, don't you think?

Lol…I am not here to defend the Dems or anyone else. But many accusations can be made by anyone, especially humpy with is 12, 000 lies and counting. But maybe it was the docia that involved Hilliary, and the lock her up campaigne, that you are referring to. Sure by all means bring anyone to justice if you have the proof, and proven guilty. That is just The Rule of Law and you are not too powerful to be above the law. Joe blow.

Lomberg was exposed as a shill for energy companies twenty years ago. Classic bait and switch. He says the money would be better spent feeding the poor etc. and best ignore impending climate Armageddon.

WA @ 10:22:

Not quite sure I understand why you think I use similar approaches as does Lomberg.

Honestly, I don't know his work – and to be fair, I wouldnt pay much attention to a piece of work by a person who is well outside their field as a factual piece anyway. Best description I know of is his book was an opinion – not a scientific work.

Does his opinion hold some credence – possibly, if we consider potential nuclear weapon deployment, phrama resistance bacterium, political instability among other issues as being bigger (or at least as big of a threat as climate change). No doubt climate change is very important, but if we say 100yrs for climate change to have a detrimental effect on mankind – there are other issues that could potentially affect us before that.

PENG2

PENG2, what I read is that: to be investigated in Denmark, it was because he claimed himself it was indeed scientific, so not an opinion as you suggest, in his mind.
Yes some small credence to his work, but the scientist Stephen Hawkings said global warming was a bigger threat than nuclear war….so you go against Hawkings?
Cost effectiveness of measures is important of course, even as with CDM
You say "if" climate change takes 100 yrs to have a detrimental effect on mankind…….the climate scientists said 12 years to make big cuts, and now about 11 years. You are a geotechnical engineer, a scientist almost , and you sound like the denier Peckford? Soothing for you, your children and grandchildren, if no impact until 100 years. Is your mind so influenced to deny the science, PENG2? Some alarmists say it is all over in 5 years, the end will come. I suggest we are on the slippery slope this past 30 years, and the slope getting worse. Maybe a bit like the North Spur, who can tell for sure and when, but you will not live downstream you say.
You are aware of the many climate tipping points, starting to tip likely. The AMOC, the Gulf stream that heats Europe down 15 % but one example, due to fresh water meld off Greenland. Mankind is largely ignorant of the consequences from tipping points, but scientists see it more.
Winston

WA @ 22:16:

You have skewed what I have said – nowhere near my intent.

For starters, the Danish Committee on Dishonesty found his work to be scientifically dishonest, but Lomberg wasn't cupable since he has no expertise in the field of environmentalism. Granted this was appealed and turned over, but the DCOD also said it would investigate further since it's opinion was unchanged. Only Lomberg (or his followers) claims his 'opinion' are factual or anymore than an opinion.

As for disagreeing with Hawkings – I never said that. I gave a couple of examples of issues facing civilization now that, IF climate change takes 100yrs to metastasize, could play havoc with the planet before then.

I am not going to downplay any of these issues – but nor do I think the focus should solely be on climate change when there are other equally pressing issues.

That is what I said.

PENG2

Didn't mean to skew, but found your comment not clear.
Certainly there are other serious issues, always was , always will be.
But your 100 year for climate change to metatasize, when so much evidence of serious impacts now, implies a low priority of kicking the can down the road as to serious action to counter it? Do I misinterpret you?
Winston

WA @ 19:35:

I use 100yrs only as an example – could have used 50yrs just as easily.

We have heard a lot about risk analysis lately, but when I look at the other threats from a risk perspective, I am not sure climate change outweighs them all – a lot of the threats I mentions have equal costs $wise and socially to climate change.

Again, only an observers opinion since I am neither a political scientist nor a biologist.

PENG2

Interesting PENG2, it seems you are a climate crisis denier, and close to a climate change denier. You will say that is not so.
But the Climate change panel says 12 years, 2030 for major reductions to have already happened, this now about 11 years, and you reduce your 100 years to 50, and say other issues just as serious.
You an observer, yes, as we all are, but you have special technical skills to dive deep if you prefer.
Climate science seems to encompass many areas, not just biology, and what is political scientist? A soft science, that permits denial?
50 years give you a clear conscience that impact will not be in your lifetime! So, kick the can down the road?
You do state you are "not sure' climate change out weights them all. Maybe that is because you have not done a deep dive into many of the hundreds of ways of negative impact, and dozens of scientific fields? Read the reports or even summaries.
Your field of expertise allow to be unsure of the North Spur safety, such that you would not live downstream, nor would I.
Your intelligence, I suggest, permits you to do a deeper dive into other fields to see if you should reduce 50 years before acting, to zero years. Indeed, action should have started 30 years ago. To stabilize and revers climate change is a massive undertaking, and questionable if time permits.I look forward to your reply.
Winston Adams

Give us a break with your incessant retorts hourly.

It is a DISADVANTAGE to others when it is all your blather when you have nothing new to add. Get out your slide rule and do some research and report so we have cause to tune in.

Blather, blather blather. Research not egotistical blather.

Ok , the ratio: 63% female, girls and women, 37% male, boys and men ,(110 F, 66M, about 65% more F than M). Of the females the vast majority are teens, whereas males, most teens but maybe a little higher percentage older males than percent older females, my guess. About 10 children on the photo.
My estimate form TV and computer and even this telegram photo was off considerably, so actually more males than thought.
But then as women brought men out of the caves, maybe now they can prevent us from going back to caves. This is no doubt female led, a good thing, but mostly men in high places holding back the movement. Does the DR approve of this slide rule research?
Winston

So what?

See Winston, the Doctor appears to be a fake environmentalist, as you suspect. "So what" he says that men in high places are fossil fuel lovers and profit from it. He sees nothing wrong.
The SHADOW.

And maybe like the Christian movement, women in the first century were important, and then got sidelined by men wearing dresses, and women to the back of the line!And those men often abusers as we now. Now many men are politicians turn Green, of all stripes, who can be the greenest, but no plan details.

The Commander: a disappointment Bruno. A PR book. You might find it sickening, maybe not. The Commander had a public persona, as I see on other comments is your concern too.
Indeed, Greens might say that such capitalists is much of the cause of present climate crisis: no end to business expansion. Steele likely twice as good as Stan Marshall at business,to personal gain, so many admire that.
Maybe you say "I could have told yous so, or you know nothing of him? A nice man, they say. A really good man? I cannot say that, and never met him.
Winston

Can't say much about the Commander, Winston, but in my teens was under his command for a very, very short time. But knew someone who knew him quite well, and related that he did drive a "bug", and could get a hotel room at Gander, or Grand Falls, anytime he was passing through, Free of charge. Yes a generous man is how he described him. Joe blow. Will have to get his book.

Joe, The book is largely a sketch of his business acumen, commentary and praise mostly from business associated, and some from family. I am glad I got the book,(wasn't published by a Nfld company) and not all finished yet.
Frank Moores is mentioned once,some on Craig Dobbin, John Lundrigan, not at all. But from George Bush to Paul Martin and much from his Jewish friend who admires Steels's skills (they went on many cruises together…..mostly to discuss business .
I think Dobbin and Steele would be bookends as to very successful Nfld business men, but who had great benefit from lobbying government. Steele mostly his own lobbyist, access to the top, and military career was an asset.
My other book : Pirates of Nfld, Easton etc, not read yet.
On reflection, I wondered to call Steele or Dobbin a pirate would be wrong, as they worked within the law.Perhaps "privateers" would be better, in context of today and big business;like Facebook etc.
There is a photo of Steele at the Labrador camp with top political figures that would drive Bruno bananas maybe. All camp expenses free, paid by Steele's company.
Both Dobbin and Steele were beneficiaries of massive use of fossil fuel, Craig with helicopters, Steele with airlines and transport.
Climate change was hardly on the agenda then, now it is. So one photo of Harry by the jet engine of the 737.
Rockaflla's children who handle the foundation have divested of oil, which the grandfather made his wealth from….so things change. Steele got out of transportation and into radio, and recently sold off by his yuongins, aver 500 million, not bad as Harry worked first 3 years as a labourer. And without successful business , where do the jobs come from? So, a lot of new old money now in the hands of the kids. Their challenge is to spend, donate and invest wisely, hopefully to benefit the Nfld economy in good ways.
Winston Adams
On r

Boyz, you are talking about the past bus drivers of policy. Please concentrate on those who are leading us astray today, and for the foreseeable children's future. When do we get stan's next cost forecast to complete? How many contract disputes and claims remain on the books? where are the overpaid contracts people finding new contracts? Are we getting holyrood up for the Winter peak load? How much energy are we importing from NS coal fired? Did Trudeau give his planned shut down of Lingan and Trenton? Are there any red worms in your compost pile?

The Pennon contract, (Takeover of Astaldi). What is Current Commitment and allowance for Changes?

I meant Pennecon ??

Wasn't it M. Steele, having purchased EPA, and referred to his valued pilots, preparing to strike for better pay, called them "glorified bus drivers"?

A friend told me 3 hr ago; Harry was belligerent, called the pilots 'oversexed bus drivers"! Maybe others know the exact words, this is not in the book that I have seen so far. I suppose Nfld/ Lab weather one of the most difficult anywhere, so those pilots were rather skilled, I think. From his military background, (He never wanted to be a pilot), but knew the expertise of military pilots: so the put down.
A proper biography would capture his character in more detail, warts and all. 8 million stories in the naked city…….how many in Gander? Maybe a few incidents in his long career, so I can't much judge him, but deserving of more than this book.
Winston

A real whistle blower in the CIA is someone like Edward Snowden who is reporting crimes of which he has first hand knowledge of and against his own organization wishes. A whistle blower takes a great risk. I think this whistle blower is highly suspect and it appears to be a soft coup attempt on behalf of his employer.

You can look at comments in the New York Times and they are all condemning the outing of the whistle blower. Yet none of these people are supporting Bradley Manning (helicopter shooting journalists and ambulances), Julian Assange (Vault 7 leak of CIA / NSA abuses, Clinton foundation e-mails, Podesta etc.) or Edward Snowden.

It seems that it all depends on who you are blowing the whistle on. If it supports the establishment, then they are a hero, if not, then they are vilified by the mainstream (state propaganda) press.

Close Anon but no cigar. It depends whose whistle you are blowing..if you get my drift.

The solution of course is speaking out without fear, using ones name without fear. It is your fear of standing up that allows the fascists to undermine your democracy.

Stand up, Stand up. You have nothing to fear but fear itself!

BTW you are dead wrong about CO2 and global temperature. Temp follows CO2. Why are you lying about so fundamental a fact?? Is it foundational to your climate denial?

I also finally get why you fear publishing your Name! :<)

Don't want to be branded an asshole like you and your ilk.

Yes Robert, ocean temp 18-21 C for up to 13 days. Salmon in pens crowded.
1. If wild, ,these salmon wear 'Niki shoes" so they can run away from the Gulf Stream warming (recall my exchange with Bruno on temps for capelin and cod, and Bruno ridiculed temp effect. I said they avoid unsuitable temps and he said, "sure, they want to run away, your analysis is useless"
2. the flow of the Gulf Stream is reduced 15 %, and fresh water from Greenland melts is affecting the Labrador current which undershoots the Gulf Stream.
3. From Florida up to Maine, NS and now into parts of Nfld, the ocean getting warmer, especially the south coast, yet the NE getting colder since the 1980 with much melt up north.
4. The warm water didn't kill the salmon, but they had less oxygen , so suffuicated, and many crowd together at the bottom of the pens, their Niki shoes useless.
Conclusion: Climate change, climate crisis. It may get worse going forward.
They considering making deeper pens and adding oxygen in such conditions. As to deeper pens, they should have been monitoring temperature constantly, and at various depths, to see if extra depth would be of benefit…..so likely they don't have that data.
DFO I suggest has not done the science to closely monitor whats going on around Nfld oceans, and maybe a cone of silence of what they do know, least it cause opposition of the off shore oil drilling.
In Europe I think, such fish farming must be on land where water temp can be better controlled.

This a symptom of what? Turning a blind eye to science and climate change. and willfully so, : a crime.
Winston Adams

A symptom of the lies told by the provincial vet. Like all NL employees the boot is on his throat.

Believe the plant workers; the lice did it.

Is it not odd Robert that this was the only Bay affected by the cold water. Lice stress the fish, up to over 200 per fish is mega stress that any environmental stress is deadly. The temp is again a convenient lie.

Once again the solution to the problem is land based farms where all parameters are monitored and controlled like temp and there are no lice etc.

Like on your coast Robert they will deny the lice are the real problem despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary because they realize the industry survival depends on the big lie.

Canadian governments are particularly good at the "Big Lie", they have been at on this coast since 1990 or so. If you tell the big lie often enough it might be believed despite all the evidence.

Goebbels perfected it, Trump is a bad imitation.

"Is it not odd Robert that this was the only Bay affected by the cold water" is a typo and should read warm water.

Of course lice can be a problem, especially if fish are in the verge of dying from lack of oxygen. But lice unlikely the root cause.
Bruno is frantic to cling to his idea that water temperature is a non issue for fish. a Gobbels lie he says, so implied both Govn and I are Gobbels character, a new low for the Dr. to attack the messenger…..Bruno being Bruno, when facts don't support his whims, and his slim fishery knowledge..
Anyone can Goolge "Fish water temperature preference" to see charts of fish and water temperature. Bruno must have his own charts modified with a Sharpie, to show NO PREFERENCE.
Who is telling the BIG LIE ? Govn is almost 30 years late to admit temperature influence, but Bruno is not there yet.Only lice at play. LOL.
Winston Adams

Winston you are living proof that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. If all you have is a thermometer, everything is temp related. Abstract preference charts of temp prove whatever you need!

Wisdom is to acknowledge that one has little knowledge, :reference a quote from MA, maybe from Socrates. Yes, I have little knowledge, and I rely on science of other experts that are indeed experts, not fake ones.
Only thing worse than a little knowledge is almost no knowledge, but thinking they are very knowledgeable, an illusion of the WEED.
WINSTON ADAMS

ah you are hopeless; bye again!

FROM "Saltwater Sportsman: On the east coast of the USA large fringes or eddies of tropical water often breaks of from the Gulf Stream and moves out colder water. ….. a rapid change in temperature can bring in or clear the fish away". So why so insistent that the high temperatures did not cause the salmon to die? Climate change don't cause change, that this never happened before? You , Bruno is rigid in your thinking, not open minded, neurons backfiring, get a new weed brand and try, but doubt if it will help. Obvious you read little if any fishery research and changes happening. You never did tell UG readers the content of your 2 week fishery course. LOL
Winston

As a boy on the Burin, it was self evident that the waters on the Southwest Coast were subject to the Gulf Stream effect. How was it that smart entrepreneurs in the Salmon Farming Biz. did not know this?

It must mean climate change is a hoax and Greta is a media whore, right??? (note to the Winston's incapable of deciphering savage irony!it is an ironic statement).

No, but media brainwashing is not the answer to any real problem and should not be construed as such. Down with fear mongering in all its many well financed forms.

That you would dismiss the indisputable fact of anthropogenically-induced global warning based on a short-term mesoscale weather event in one little corner of the world… clearly demonstrates your colossal ignorance as to the subject of climate change.

So rather than commenting on a topic you obviously know sweet-fuck-all about, perhaps you should avoid making such a bloody fool of yourself and just stfu.

Take it easy on him, he means FOX is the media empire fear mongering financed by the Koch's! Tee Hee!

Ah, but the deep state is at it again! Down with the deep state!

One chart shows for Atlantic salmon: preference 15.3 C(60F)
Range: 12.1 – 15.1 C), C (54-59 F). So 18-21 C was experinced for 13 days, and fish are not stressed? Not short of breath. They must be panting like hell, needing fish oxygen masks. Maybe MUN Innovation Center can make them?
Put that in your pipe and smoke it Dr Bruno, and discard the weed you smoke, must be a bad brand.
Winston Adams

D you know what "ad hominum" means Winston? Other than that do you have anything useful to say?

Yes
1. You, A self professed promoter of renewable wind energy is not impressed with this 12 MW wind unit, a huge step up in capacity. So, you a fake renewable guy?
2 That the thermometer, and now remote satelite temperature sensing, and records kept for generations give us much data for climate changes, impacting fish, agriculture , species movement, ocean changes etc. Nothing ad hominum about scientfic data, the simple or complex, that you avoid and switch to character attacks that all are stupid except you, a genius in your own mind. Trump, the Hump, too described himself as a genius, and you imply to yourself every day. You must have been a hard case as a child, and never changed.
Question: Do you know a intelligent fool is? Maybe you can write it in Latin?
If you were first to see the report on 12 MW wind, you'd be posting links, or maybe not, Bruno Batteries is Bruno's baby, which generate no new energy, a minor player in world energy systems yet. Wake me up when it does, instead of your silly links. This wind leap is huge in technology gain, and you don't acknowledge it. Foolish Bruno. To the back of the class I say.

Winston

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One last adieu; You NEVER post a link to ANY of your claims. Why is that? Try right clicking,you may be surprised at what you discover.

Your slide rule is way bigger than mine! :<)

As you suggest Bruno, I have but a little knowledge, unlike you.
As I have stated before, I am a computer dummy. Most 10 year olds know the tricks of computers better than I do. I will have to have someone teach me how to properly supply links.
However I am a better researcher than average, I suggest, and dive deep most of the time.
Certainly my slide rule is bigger, about 12 inches long, and likely a relic now for some museum. In the mid 1970s a small calculator with good functions cost about 4000 dollars, Nfld Hydro bought 2, I think, ……these now about 10.00 cost.
Maybe other of my tools are bigger too? Analytical ones of course, but that is a biased opinion.
You may have more artistic capability than me, your verse, and song references, are not bad. Maybe the weed brand enhanced that and diminishes other faculties?
Why do you not question PENG2 on his notion of 100 years for climate change impact?
You are right, better to post links….Robert does this all the time, and I often will read them and comment on the content, so others don't have to read the links unless they want to.
For the 12 MW wind units, this one farm will supply 5 % of UKs energy needs.Offshore wind is usually 40% or more costly than onshore for many reasons, but still this is 5 cent power, it says 40 British pounds per MWhr, below typical wholesale cost of energy there. Units are 1/3 bigger than any other existing, and will be the world's most powerful offshore wind turbines.
Your suggestion that I do no post links to imply my information is unreliable? Tut, tut , tut! Bruno, why would I steer you or anyone wrong?
Google "World's largest wind turbines to be built off Yorkshire coast" and you will find it. Then spread the word, and say Winston told you, so must be right, unless having a bad day!
Winston Adams

Use the analogy of TMX expansion. There is no economic benefit for this and the tunnel. Elect Elizabeth May and maybe an electric powered rail link at Port Aux Basques:-)

That is another kettle of fish, eh bye.

You say Kettle, I say Quintle. That was a pile of pink dead salmon over the side bye:-)

Keep us informed Anon,and others if you can, as UG is where we often get the straight goods.

And i get shot down for suggesting to move the hell out of here (if you can). To shoot down that message is like the old lobsters tale. Fits us perfectly.

Anon:22:17, good points especially about our beloved, handsome, spin thrif president. If you get get the brave fearless media to repeat that several hundred times a day, like when there was a dusting of snow in Labrador on September 30th. Then maybe everyone might be aware of it and not just the few that read UG these days. And expose those who sign those kind of contracts, as if we were overflowing with cash, rather than can't afford a free lunch. How many know these facts, maybe at least the students may come out in protest by the thousands as they did a few days ago on climate change. We can't afford these kind of fat cats anymore and the same for nalcor, too many fat cats. If you are putting up hydro rates, down comes your salaries, yes I would say for every one cent inc, 1000 fold decrease in salary. If you have too many employees and you don't want to reduce, then reduce everyone's salary. And then if you want to leave, just leave, and others are standing by to take your position, or at least 90 percent of your jobs, non world class, fat cats. And sure levy can complain about leaving as often as he wants, but after a while a broken record is just a broken record, no matter how often you play it. So sure play away, as Joe blow don't have to listen or read it.

Actually meant for every 1 cent increase in power rates, decrease salaries, rather than adding bonuses, by a thousand $, and am sure others would suggest much more.

His link says "this is the largest storage system of it's kind , a project that was 4 years in the making, and such technology will eliminate the need for big new generation plants. This Tesla battery system consists of 2 units each of 2 MW, so a total of 4 MW, a little smaller than Petty Hr plant, as to its maximum output. As batteries must be given a time duration, as it runs down, like your car battery if the generator is not working, these Tesla packages total has the capacity of 16MW hrs. A MW is 1 million watts for 1 hr. Sounds like a lot of juice there.
Winston

With about 700 Mw of domestic electric heat, and 1200 mW total electric heat, this "largest system of it's kind " would heat all our houses for about 8 minutes, and if heating all our buildings it would last about 5 minutes.
Of course, it could not try to to do that, but let the rest of the island go dead, and feed the local load, about 500 houses in and around Petty Hr.
For how long? About 3 hours. So it the island failure occurred around 1 am, Petty Hr goes dead too about 4 am, and the house already chilly around 6am. The old hydro plant would operate all winter, and perhaps another 120 Years.
The original feed to St Johns in 1900 was 600 V, so massive transmission losses. This got upgraded to 2300V in 1926.
Are batteries useless? No. They can serve some benefit in some jurisdictions, to improve voltage regulation and balancing. Will they eliminate large new generation plants? No. Sometimes they may help a little to delay a new plant, or work with synergy with wind generation. They are starting to get cost effective for EVs, and other minor applications, and if costs reduce further, the uptake may grow.
Hey, we had electric public transportation in St Johns form 1900 to 1948, now Synapse proposes a modern form. These issues now before the PUB hearings now.
Winston Adams

You are ignorant and you are an asshole. Why do you always take spoken words out of context to grind your stupidity constantly. You should have a pet monkey to grind your organ!

I suppose it exposes your inanity and undermines any useful scraps you may have to add to the discussion. You don't like batteries because I pointed out they BALANCE LOAD IN REAL TIME thus SHAVING THE PEAK, Plus they PROVIDE BACKUP IN THE EVENT OF FAILURE. I get it you have nothing better to do because you seem incapable of incorporating new information. Stroking your slide rule in public is quite a bore to the rest of us!

You are living evidence that little knowledge and a wounded ego is a dangerous thing!

Please stop taking my words out of context. Are you not ashamed to show your ignorance constantly?

1.I was very effective in provoking you Bruno,and your personal attack on the messenger is classic.
2. A letter I received , and was dated June 14, from Gary Kachanoski, President of MUN, invited me and a guest to the President's Golden Celebration for alumni who "surpassed the significant 50-year milestone as a graduate of our great university" It is to be held at the Emera Innovation Exchange. I am to receive "a commemorative gold pin in recognition of your exceptional and long-standing relationship with Memorial" There is a "pinning" ceremony. It says " as a valued member of our alumni family, we hope you are able to join us for an evening of camaraderie and entertainment as we honour a bond that spans a half-century or more" If a don't go , they can mail it to me. It is for Oct 27th.
Should I go? I considered inviting you as my quest, Bruno, and maybe pass the pin along to you, if you want it. Gold don't much impress me.
3. I purchased a Prius hybrid with a battery assist in 2005. I still drive it, the battery still good, it is not Litium-ion type. I advocate for EVs. Batteries has a little benefit for power systems, not so much for Nfld's power mix. To say I don't like batteries is absolutely false. We don't need another boondoggle, a Bruno inspired battery boondoggle, .
4. Your insight for batteries benefit here is based on ignorance of engineering, and ZERO slide rule capability. BRUNOZERO?
5. I admit to little knowledge, but not no knowledge. Why is my ego wounded? Not sure I have an ego, where do I look for it?
6. Your words out of context? LOL. You advocated for native coal for NS, and for gas off Nfld for power generation. You failed to recant, would your ego be the cause? You deny water temperature effect fish big time, and on and on,
7. You speak for all UG blog readers when you say "a bore for the rest of us".
Name "the rest of us"
Lighten up Dr Bruno, this site can handle it.
Would you like my gold pin, better than iron or lead ring?
Winston Adams

Check where the sun don't shine for your ego. You are dominated by a id that needs attention constantly.

I am glad that someone gets the tragedy that happened with cod. Selling cod blocks for processing was a disaster. The equivalent would be turning old growth forests into toilet paper (we have done that too!).

Much happened with cod:over fishing, lack of food (capelin) and water too cold or too warm. Bruno said they were immune to water temperature changes, a stupid thing to say, as very basis to all fish, a preferred and limit on temperature, even as to the salmon in pens, trapped and suffocated.
Bruno, you are o one trick pony. Tell us about your fishery course, details are as secret as Nalcor on the boondoggle, and WA asked you repeatedly, and you hide as to details.

Don't believe the Official version of US economic perfection;

https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=williams+shadowstats&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Lot's of fake news about the state of the nation South;

https://kingworldnews.com/david-a-stockman-10-5-2019/

My response was censored. Read Wayne Johnston's version on Stirling. Squires left a legacy. Herb Pottles' "Dawn without light" brought about the kind of business leadership, of which you refer.

Congratulations Bruno;

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/A-Million-Mile-Electric-Car-Battery-Musk-Wasnt-Lying.html?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=push_notification&utm_campaign=vwo_notification_1570140319&_p_c=1

Of course Robert, this is a research paper from people getting paid from Tesla. Nothing on cost,
It has potential for 20 year life, compared to 10 year now. The old clunkers at Holyrood are 50 years old, and many products last 40 years. At present 10 year needing replacement is a problem.
So as of yet, this pie in the sky. And energy density is key , how much energy can it store? Many even now would not go EVs due to the shortened range. I think the range is not bad.
I advocated for EVs , following and before Synape. Bruno was silent on Synapse and still is.
Congratulations Bruno, sometime we will see a Brighter Bruno Battery, a BBB model. The sooner the better.
IMAGINE that, as John Lennon might say. Making imagination to reality takes time, money , research, awareness, and promotion.But there is no Santa Claus, no tooth fairy, unless you have the right weed brand, it seems real today.
Winston

Yes Robert I read that story , thanks.

It is a big step if the battery never needs replacing. It also saves 10 grand in the cost of replacing them. The cost per mile is less than half the cost of fossil even at 29 cents a kWh!

Musk is also promising fast charging stations coast to coast. If he does the economics of electric vehicles will win the day, even in NL where the government can't plan their way out of a paper bag even with a glut of power. Perhaps they know something we don't; MF power may never arrive on the Avalon with more bad news that the aircraft division, previously valued at 100 billion is only worth 30 billion. Worse yet they claim that the aircraft division is all GE is currently worth! Yikes!

Nalcor and a bankrupt GE to get the software, now six months offline at MF, working! What are the chances!

20 year for batteries for power systems does not mean not replacing, and is about the same as gas turbines, and less than many hydro systems. Same as wind generators.
Musk is lobbying governments , fine as long as they are not nitwits to believe too much hype. He is a self promoter with a big ego, bigger than you Bruno, but also has good engineering skills.
When did you first out the GE software problem, Doctor?
as to reliability issues , wasn't it PENG2 and WA before him to raise those concerns, PENG2 as to structural and WA as to electrical?
The Shadow (AG)

The Shadow a dumb amalgam of WA and PENGzero?

Million mile CAR BATTERIES The Smudge, Not power systems. You awake?

Robert the Dal crew promises longer life and higher energy density (unlike claims from the ignorant and the uninformed).

"The researchers from Dalhousie University have an exclusive agreement with Tesla, and two months ago they reported that they had designed battery cells with higher energy density without using the solid-state electrolyte that many believe is a necessary condition for enhanced density. What’s more, the battery cell that the team designed demonstrated a longer life than some comparable alternatives."

Battery improvement is continuous as toward more compact, higher density, and lower cost. No statement on this being lower cost. Generally a nothing burger, nothing in production using this. Further, no cars go to a million miles, most go to 200,000 or less, so that is not significant, unless used for utility purpose, it MIGHT be an advantage, if cheaper.
A Bruno BS item, as usual. Dozens of companies and universities are doing research to improve batteries…….nothing startling here, and typical of the doctors pet obsession ; batteries and solar, of little benefit in Nfld. Why did he not endorse EVs for Nfld, even after Synapse? Bruno the Bozo, as usual.
The Shadow (AG)

The Smudge at it again1 Read the article before you again make a fool of yourself. The POINT is the car will NEVER need a new battery despite the fact that many Tesla's will soon push that million mile lifespan. Simple power train construction will ensure Teslas's rewrite auto longevity expectations. Max torque throughout the range of RPM means no gearbox or transmission of any kind…..vrooom vroom!

New technology from a reputable NS University that Tesla has bought into that promises increased energy density, increased longevity and like all technologies they will get cheap with mass production. WTF is your problem apart from fear of the light and a weak intellect?

Excuse me I have to wipe this Smudge off the soles of my shoes!

Silly man, the obvious issue is that "it promises this and that" like Nalcor promises, show us the goods.
Elon already fined millions by the SEC for stock manipulation.
You continue to open your mouth to prove you are the fool. And when these new improved batteries are around 20 years and still good , that is the proof, not conjecture. What a dumb ass you are to be be suckered by PR.
The Shadow.

Silly girl you are hopeless. Is it time for your Midol?

The Shadow might be a girl. What do have against girls? Not up to your intelligence level? And who knows for sure what your're sex is? You seems to have fetishes, stroking this or that.
TS

Dr Bruno also says that batteries for our power system would "Shave the peak load, and balance the load in real time, and backup for a power outage.
Winston Addressed the issue of backup capability, largely a nothing burger, it runs down quickly.
As to shaving the peak load; can you elaborate? Nfld goes from 700 MW in the summer to 1800 in the winter, and ramps up on cold winter days about 400MW in a few hours. Define "shave", not a professional technical term used is it? A shave less than a hair cut?

Shave and a haircut ten cents!

Shaving the peak is energy management 101. You just showed how ill informed you are.

Bruno, don't hide behind anon.

Never have, never will!!

Anon hiding behind anon accusing me of being anon. Does the irony not embarrass you? I guess not!

Believe Bruno? The man who never lies? Laughable.
The Shadow

When I read that about the pension funds, my first thought was that the mathematicians and engineers working on the DC/AC conversion stability problems (these would normally be very competent people, probably with Ph.D.s, will be looking for an exit plan. The best will get position with competitors of GE or maybe find a teaching position at a university. Others will just be demoralized.

Look at https://www.wsj.com/articles/ge-power-has-a-92-billion-backlog-for-new-boss-thats-a-problem-11550068479

GE has a $92 billion dollar backlog (like Muskrat Falls) that have not been delivered or completed. Given their financial mess, I doubt they every will.

So … what can we get with the hardware/software we have now? Half power perhaps? Maybe enough to feed Nova Scotia with free power?

Sorry but with a monopole you will not have enough to give us free power. You will have to divert other hydro or fire up Holyrood more!

More specifically, we are dealing with GE Grid Solutions. If you look up this company in Google, you will find employee postings like this one:

"GE Grid Solutions was an excellent company with an outstanding team of highly trained and dedicated professionals. The team is responsible for all digital energy deliveries, and marketing for GE Power globally. The unfortunate downfall of GE around the world has affected the Canadian team, which is now a fraction of what it once was."

or this from 2 years back: "Almost 100 Grid Solutions employees were laid off in Rochester NY alone. It was enough to trigger a WARN act notification for the site under NYS law."

or this one: (thestar.com)
"GE plans to cut 1,400 of its 4,200 positions in Switzerland over the next two years. While no facilities are expected to close in Switzerland, the company said the GE Power Conversion unit in Berlin and GE Grid Solutions in Moenchengladbach, Germany, would be closed. GE plans to trim its German workforce by 1,600 positions."

Can you imagine where we are in the priority queue?

We can safely assume that we are on our own and have to make do with what we have, or, scare up a few billion and switch technologies or vendors.

Dr Bruno has much to say now on GE solutions and even knows what a monopole is. Not so long ago he knew not a converter station from a synchronous condenser, now he can design and build them. I may have commented on the GE problem last November from Houston cancer hospital,and Russell at the Telegram before that, then Dr Bruno gets the bone and won't let go.
Recall that Stan the man said at the Inquiry, if not GE, then maybe another, maybe he referenced ABB to solve the software problem.
In my early days at Nfld Hydro, I ordered ABB HV breakers for our 230kv grid. Now they are into HVDC, software for this, automation and much more, and even more knowledge about batteries than Mr Bruno Battery himself, or his hero, Elon Musk.
ABB, a Swiss – Swedish company. Sweden the home our our Greta……is there something in their drinking water that makes them environmentally conscious?
They are much into lowering CO2 emissions and helping solve the climate crisis. Over 15 years in battery systems …..is this longer than Tesla, I think so.
ABB points out that power reliability issues is often an after thought as compared to the investors considerations, as to power projects. What a mouthful. ABB, world class, unlike Nalocr, and far exceeding Tesla, I suggest.
A few months from now Dr Bruno may be blowing the horn of ABB,but that a bridge too far maybe.
Winston Adams

Maybe we need to be patient. From the Telegram and see what happens at the end of the month …

"According to the latest contracts, the commissioning date for the bipole is Oct. 31, 2019.

Von Lazar testified the power line has yet to move more than 150 megawatts of power at a time. He said there have been about 20 trips on the line since May 2018, and there has been more than one cause, from problems with a cooling system to telecommunications issues (the latter the contractor lays at Nalcor’s feet)."

Yes, at the Inquiry they said end of OCT, but this seemed to have been pushed back to Jan 1, and questionable if then.Is interest on 12.7 billion around 450 Million a year? Like the cost of construction of a new school, every month of delay, and on power was to be end of 2017?
Patience is wearing rather thin, I suggest.
Winston

For the record:

https://vocm.com/2019/10/07/rate-mitigation-consultant-doubts-labrador-island-link-timeline/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ge-shows-long-road-ahead-in-restructuring-push-1516797761?mod=article_inline

"The latest quarterly results show continued woes in GE’s Power business, where revenue fell 15% and profits tumbled 88% from a year ago. The business, GE’s biggest by revenue, sells turbines to power plants around the globe. In the quarter, the division’s orders dove 25%.

GE revealed the problems in the power business in the fall, detailing how it misjudged a major shift in the market. Last month, it targeted cutting 12,000 jobs the division, nearly 18% of the unit’s workforce."

Get the lab test concrete cylinders stats, and go to work! Assuming Stan still has some "open contract accounts", how much Contingency left for deficiencies, claims, and scope changes? How about an Cost to complete update Mr. CM?

Yes Dr Bruno warned that the RCC is at higher risk than the North Spur, counter to Jim Gordon, PENG2 and me, and MA and Cabot Martin and others
Some leakage is normal. Is this an abnormal amount? If not, than than Dr Bruno is an alarmist. The doctor is an expert on RCC construction, of course, and rang the bell on that …..when exactly?
Of course the North Spur could go with or without warning.
Maybe PENG2 can comment on this leakage of the RCC? And too as to his 50 year delay on climate change risk. The federal debate; the leaders: The Liberals called Mr Delay, the PCs Mr Deny. PENG2 seems to be Mr Delay variety, several days now and seems under the "cone of silence".
Winston Adams

At the PUB, Synapse, as to controlling the grid peak load, mentioned benefits of heatpumps, and to "mitigate the power bill", not just the rates. Is this not what WA long ago said, the huge energy saving reduces the power bill, and AJ too says this?
Synapse said not a word about batteries to "shave the peak" as Bruno advocates. Is Synapse behind the times compared to Bruno? Why has Bruno not been hired a consultant to Synapse for power management, as well as for RCC construction?
Stan going to England to kick ass over the software issue. Send Dr Bruno , I say, and he will rewrite the software in a jiffy. The doctor's expertise being ignored on all fronts. Inexcuseable.
The Shadow

Get him a few straight jackets for moi also pls. Your lunacy requires intervention!

PENGzero can have his research staff to look up the Nalcor RCC problems with the formula during construction….or has he laid off the research staff?

Bruno
MOI? sarcastic use of the word for me, an old French word?
PLS……what does that mean, not short for please, context seems not right.
Yes, what does he know, past his best before date?

WA @ 14:08:

All my comment was that there are issues of equally importance to climate change. I have never said 100yrs or 50yrs as a hard timeline for impacts as a result of climate change – and yes, there are issues such as nuclear war, disease or radical political activism among others that have an equal or greater risk to humans than climate change at this current point in time. This is all I have ever said – the other nonsense you have tried to attribute to me by skewing statements, is just that nonsense.

At least interpret and quote correctly – especially after 1 explanation was already given.

PENG2

Is it not time that Stan fell on his sword to end the pain?
Yes NS should replace its coal fired generation with clean Hydro, (and ignore Bruno's advise of using native coal.
But at present HQ has plenty of surplus of clean Hydro, and our island getting nothing over the DC line. Stan wants UC power to the island…….strange given present problems, taking another 3 years to say if it can work and be reliable!
Time to ask HQ, or PQ to take pity and take over all our hydro on good terms?
Stan, wanting to work with Nalcor and Emera to export to NY, to compete against HQ! The Frog and the Ox, recall Heracles. Have we not lost that battle, with 13 billion wasted and no reliable power yet from Labrador to the island.
And Fortis to take over some island assets? HMMMMMM.
Time to march on the Beothic Building. Rate payers being represented by no one. MFCCC even excluded.
Bruno, knowing nothing of power systems , could not have done a worse job, with Bruno batteries in every house, for maybe just 11 billion, and no power to charge them.
But what do I know? I needing to be in a straight jacket says Bruno. At least my jacket would be straight, not crooked. Maybe many straight jackets are needed in this province, for the boondoggle enablers.
Winston Adams

Robert, I generally have little interest in fiction books. But your mention of Wayne Johnson's book, and I read a bit of the it, they permit on Goggle,maybe 20 pages, and it is amazing, so I guess an historical novel, on Joey. Johnson is much acclaimed, even internationally, and yet some say Rex Murphy is our most famous Nflder.(the book on Steele) Maybe Rex says that, and he has a following at the National Post, a wordsmith, even better than Bruno, and a climate change denier our Rex( who never got a degree form Oxford, so a bit of a Rhode scholar, like Ches), so a Trump admirer. Did Danny get an Oxford degree?
What did you say about Sterling that got you censored by the esteemed Uncle?
Can you edit and comment, that might get past him? So Wayne brings Stirling into his novel?
Winston

Johnson spent time with Sterling, just before his death, and the historical novel is the result. Brilliant bit of historical "faction". Follows on the Colony of unrequited dreams theme. It surprises me how few NLers give a fig about their own recent history. As a boy in the 40s and 50s, teachers were not allowed to tell us about the 33 riot, the players involved, and the sellout of responsible government back to colonial regime.

That is a strange phenomenon I have noticed Robert, the dead 30's history. Now I get why family of the rioters, the historical heroes, are not not only celebrated, there is a deep cultural shame in the families that will still not talk about their kin, a couple of generations on.

After today's news of the class action suit launched and the gory details, there was deep denial and savage abuse of the bottom of NL society by every class, cops lawyers, civil servants, "doctor veterinarians", several "inquiries" that concluded no problem here, move along.

The inter generational shame by the poor is easy to understand I guess but suppressing so recent a history points to the rigid class structure then. It is not that different now while we wait with baited breath for the results of an "inquiry" that systematically excluded information by a sculpted TOR, excluding witnesses deemed "not expert" that later called them for in camera testimony! Hypocrites.

Not a word in the "inquiry" about MF being Danny's wet dream. Rate/taxpayers that Stan The Part Time Man announced today that the GE software is his priority and ratepayers are on their own as far as he is concerned.

One thing for sure Lunkhead Stan tells his reality like it is! The rest of NL culture from the law, "liars", civil servants, politicians, doctors, vets, engineers, all are in on the denial and enforce strict denial of egregious and systematic abuse of the treasury and the poor and dispossessed.

Rate/taxpayers beware!

Why worry about hydro for the Labrador coast, Robert, when we can export to NY, lose 20% in transmission losses, and sell at 2.5 cents while costing 30 cents?
Stan seems to use a different version of economic theory , compared to when running Fortis.
Maybe we got rid of the Reids too soon, they built a 5 MW hydro at Petty Hr in 1900, for St John's needs, and later Nfld Power took it over, and the trail up to Fortis and the cone of silence over MFs boondoggle in the making, and the Fake Take Charge conservation. Now 10 dollar rebate for programmable thermostats, and 5 dollar rebate for plastic for the windows being discontinued Nov 13! Shocking, that was so effective to shave the peak.
A new era dawning, Fake Charge replacing Take Charge. CDM (Conservation Demand Management) being replaced by CDM(Customer Demand Management) where all customers are on their own.
As MA would say, a change of horse, when we went from Tom Johnson, PC , to Browne, the Liberal, so ratepayers be dammed.
Did Stan actually say he wished the plague on fellow Nflers? Trump trash talk , if true. Say it ain't so. Not Stan?
Winston Adams

Back in the 80s, I ran a small school project in Charlottetown. About this time of year, we flew a "widgeon" from Deer Lake to do final inspections. While I met the contractor for an hour or so, the salesman for House in Corner Brook got back on the plane. He did about $100,000. in sales; TVs, skidoos, furniture, appliances and the like. Salmon runs had been good that year. I remember being fed and drank some orange tang, until I noticed that the water supply was a polluted stream nearby. Good for the intestine one might say.

Sounds like Dwight and Stan the man are being sucked in by the same bullshit that HQ and Lucien Bouchard sold Brian Tobin et al circa 1997 about more water from Quebec for the Upper CF2 to increase capacity when all HQ was really interested in was Gull Island power, resulting in the foiled and failed Rodger Grimes deal. Too late Stan, the upper Romaine and Lac St Jean waters have now been harnessed in Quebec. Get off the bullshit and get out of the way and let someone cut the outsized Nalcor executive suite down to the right size. To do otherwise will be the real Newfie joke.

With Gull about 4 times the average power output of MFs, we see how stupid it was to go with MFs first. Since the island needed so little additional power, neither was needed for the island.
This DC to AC for the island is very complex says Stan, now. He never said it in 2012. Complex was not a word he used then. Complex…….Helloooo.
And little intergration studies done in advance of sanction, and likely not part of the tendering package for HVDC, but an after thought…..whoops, by a Nalcor Team where electrical power system experience did not exist, and they fired key Nlfd Hydro engineers who had experience.
Of course, I have long touted unreliablity on this as a major concern, ( I being educated by Bruno on these electrical issues, as the record shows)
Stan , last summer, when celebrating that the DC line was up and running, cited software as a MINOR concern. Now a MAJOR concern. Unfortunately Stan is notan electrical engineer, nor ALteen, who now suddenly if finding fault here and there, that should have been known. Even PENG2, has gone silent to defend them. Wonder why?
According to VOCM tweets of Brain Madore, this software work by GE now at a 100 Million cost. Soon Bruno barreries will look good , charged up by hamsters running on a wheel.
Brain's photos shows our Consumer Advocate in a big fit of laughter with Stan Marshall while having a chat. Is there even one thing funny about this boondoggle? How easy to manipulate the public? A crowded PUB room they said, but no average Joes it seems to me, of the few there.
100 million for software, not to be tested until next year, though Stan says all the bugs are out, so not proven until the following winter, when Stan is long gone. He says it may take 3 years to know for sure if this works.
Shut Holyrood down? Maybe that's the joke Dennis is laughing about?
A world war is all over in 5 years, so the boondoggle is like 2 world wars in time, but we know who lost: The Frog that thought it was on OX.
Was Danny Williams the chief frog? Maybe so, but many little frogs creaking with him. And still a few croak now and then, saying "I think I can, I think I can….we have Gull to do, then we will be an OX.
HQ and commentators on this blog from Quebec, are so kind, not to be be on here rubbing it in. They are silent.
It is way past a Newfie joke, but a tragedy. But Browne laughs. Stan laughs. And Ed Martin and Dunderdale and others laugh.
We are the Happy Province, once the motto on our licence plates. What't not to laugh about? A 13 billion dollar joke is damn funny, to some. Nflder; to green to burn? Certainly true. And no Santa Claus to save us. The Board of Trade says;but we have oil out there. Oil revenue got us into this mess, did it not? Not likely to save us, not with Greta's movement taking hold. Kill the planet to mitigate Muskrat? Why not?
Winston Adams

As to Gull: Stan says markets in NS to replace coal, markets in NY as they may want clean Hydro.
NS got MFs power, a chunk for zero cost for power, another for USA wholesale market rates, less than 5 cents.
How much will they pay for Gull power, when HQ is selling for not more than than 5 cents, and has surplus.
And NY now with cheap generation from gas,and more offshore wind coming on. Sure there is the climate change concern, but not until fossil fuel is curtailed will new NL hydro be profitable to sell there. Time to talk Gull once rates there have esculated tremendously. For now , it is pie in the sky; show the contracts before making false hope for Gull gravy, like gullshit. And too as offshore profits. DO we need to dig a deeper hole, at taxpayer expense, making a windfall profits for contractors and consultants?
And before Stan dreams of cleaning up NS coal, what of Fortis coal burning and their GHG emmissions…..15 million tons per year if memory serves, and increasing. PENG2, a Fortis shareholder avoids that issue!
Winston

Item 2: Stan is annoyed with regulatory duties. Never mind we are in a pickle as a result of the regulatory neutering by Danny and his Juniors. Stan can't walk and chew gum. Only one thing at a time for lunkhead Stan.

I wonder how long he can keep lying about the cost stalled at 12.7 billion. The interest is over 200 billion a year alone and now Stan says it may take 23 years! Two or three is probably wildly optimistic. Stan sounds like he is starting from scratch on the software. Yikes!

Time To "Marshall" Stan out the door! Audit Nalcor NOW!

The public purse under attack again by the ambulance chasers. What else is new.

You're lost.

Anon@22;49…….Is that you doctor Bruno?
WA

1. It is meaningless in scope, 1000 homes of 180,000.
2 So many hoops to jump through to get the 1000, few will qualify or want to
3 Should have been done a decade ago, but for 12,000 homes per year
4 12,000 installed last year without rebates
5 Not at odds with with Synapse: increase grid loads but reduce peak demand, but this a mickey mouse measure in scope
6 cold climate models not a requirement, so might not be best practice for the grid or the customer.
7 this a distraction the day before testimony at the PUB on CDM
Winston Adams